Poll: 2005 NHL Draft Take Two: Sixteenth Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2005 NHL Draft, which kicked off the salary cap era and ushered in many of the current NHL superstars. The question we’re looking to answer is knowing now what we didn’t know then, how different would this draft look now with the benefit of hindsight?
Here are the results of our redraft so far:
1st Overall: Sidney Crosby (Pittsburgh Penguins)
2nd Overall: Carey Price (Mighty Ducks of Anaheim)
3rd Overall: Anze Kopitar (Carolina Hurricanes)
4th Overall: Jonathan Quick (Minnesota Wild)
5th Overall: Kris Letang (Montreal Canadiens)
6th Overall: Tuukka Rask (Columbus Blue Jackets)
7th Overall: Bobby Ryan (Chicago Blackhawks)
8th Overall: Marc-Edouard Vlasic (San Jose Sharks)
9th Overall: Ben Bishop (Ottawa Senators)
10th Overall: James Neal (Vancouver Canucks)
11th Overall: T.J. Oshie (Los Angeles Kings)
12th Overall: Keith Yandle (New York Rangers)
13th Overall: Paul Stastny (Buffalo Sabres)
14th Overall: Marc Staal (Washington Capitals)
15th Overall: Patric Hornqvist (New York Islanders)
Now we move forward to the 16th pick, which was held by the Atlanta Thrashers (now the Winnipeg Jets).
To recap how this works:
- We will go through the 2005 NHL Draft and have our readers select, through a voting process, who they think should have been taken with the selection.
- The entire first round will be redrafted, spanning picks one through thirty. The new selection is chosen by the majority of votes.
Back in 2005, the Thrashers selected right winger Alex Bourret out of Lewiston of the QMJHL in a selection that certainly didn’t pan out. Bourret was an undersized power forward and despite some strong junior numbers (he had 114 points in his final ‘Q’ season), his game never really translated to the pro ranks. He spent parts of four seasons in the AHL but never got into a single NHL game. He has spent the last several years in the Quebec LNAH.
Two years after picking him, Atlanta moved Bourret to the Rangers for Pascal Dupuis and a third round pick (which was later flipped for center Chris Thorburn who still remains with the organization) so while the draft pick didn’t pan out, the Thrashers at least got some value from Bourret’s selection.
With the 16th pick of the 2005 NHL Redraft, who should the Thrashers (Jets) select? Cast your vote below!
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The Latest On Jacob Trouba
It appears that the stalemate between RFA defenseman Jacob Trouba and the Winnipeg Jets is set to extend into November. TSN’s Bob McKenzie notes that both sides have indicated that the situation remains “status quo”.
At this stage, it appears both sides have their lines drawn in the proverbial sand. Trouba has made it known that he wants to play on his natural right side, something that is more challenging in Winnipeg since Dustin Byfuglien and Tyler Myers, both righties with long-term contracts are also there. While they could conceivably play Trouba or one of them on the third pairing allowing all three to play their natural side, that wouldn’t be the best use for them as all are capable of playing greater than 20 minutes a night.
As for the Jets, the asking price remains very high and so far no team has been willing to meet it. It’s believed that GM Kevin Cheveldayoff is looking for basically the left handed equivalent of Trouba, an established top four blueliner that has several years of team control remaining.
Further complicating things is that while Trouba is motivated to move on, the team doesn’t appear to be anywhere near as motivated to move him. McKenzie adds that teams that have shown interest in Trouba don’t believe that they are eager or even likely to move him any time soon. TSN’s Darren Dreger reported late last week that the team is still willing to offer a six year, $33MM contract to get him to stay in Winnipeg, something that Trouba has declined to this point.
We’re nearly a month away from the key deadline in all of this, December 1st. At that time, if an RFA remains unsigned, he is ineligible to play for the remainder of the season. Is Trouba really willing to sit an entire year to try to get his wish? McKenzie feels that’s one of only two real options for the 22 year old – he can sit and wait or bite the bullet and take the contract Winnipeg’s offering while structuring it creatively to limit the amount of salary lost this season. He could also potentially sign a shorter-term deal while maintaining his trade request in the hopes that a trade can be reached later in the year or next offseason although Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reports that does not appear to be something he’s willing to consider at this time.
In his time with the Jets, Cheveldayoff has proven himself to be a very patient general manager. Does Trouba and his representation have the same level of patience? We’re about to find out over the next month.
Early Calder Trophy Candidates: Matthews, Marner, Laine
The Hockey News’ Mike Brophy writes a very preliminary guess as to the front runners for the Calder Trophy, awarded yearly for the league’s best rookie. Brophy concedes that it’s still very early in the season, but based on what he’s seen over the first three weeks, he lists some players to watch as the year progresses. Some names Brophy highlights:
- Toronto Maple Leafs forward and #1 overall pick in 2016 Auston Matthews leads the pack, turning in a four goal performance in his first NHL game and following that up with being second overall in league scoring with 10 points (6-4). Linemate William Nylander is right behind him, with four goals and nine points in seven games.
- Teammate Mitch Marner is also an early candidate, notching a goal and six points in seven games.
- Winnipeg Jets rookie Patrik Laine has eight points (6-2) in seven games and is showing that he was absolutely worthy of the second overall pick in the 2016 draft.
- Jimmy Vesey, the focus of nearly every team this summer as a free agent out of college, has proven the Rangers right so far. Vesey had four goals (4-1) in seven games thus far.
- Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Zach Werenski had two goals and five points in just six games, being a bright spot on what has started out as a disappointing start for the Jackets.
Regardless of who wins, Brophy talks of how the injection of youth in the league is hopefully leading to another wave of talent. Further, Brophy talks about how the excitement of the player’s speed, and skill could hopefully bring back the excitement that Brophy feels has been missing for some time.
Bryan Little To IR, Marko Dano Up To Winnipeg
When Bryan Little was injured in the Winnipeg Jet’s season opener, it was originally believed that he would only be out for a short time. Yet, two weeks later he has not made his return and head coach Paul Maurice stated yesterday that he could be out for another month. The team backed up those words today, placing Little on the injured reserve.
The team’s second-line center and a key point producer, Little’s long-term absence will certainly mean trouble for the Jets. The team is already off to a disappointing start, with just two wins thus far, and now they are missing one of the centerpieces of their team. A holdover from the Atlanta Thrashers days and a career member of the organization, Little has always been relied upon to play big minutes for the team. A strong two-way player who is a perennially puts up 40+ points, Little’s absence will be felt in all aspects of the game. Unlike the loss of unsigned Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg does not have the same depth up front as they do on the back end, and are not structured well to deal with the loss of a key forward. The team certainly hopes that Little returns before the end of November.
In his stead, the Jets have called up Marko Dano from the AHL’s Manitoba Moose. Once considered a top NHL prospect, Dano has had an interesting few years. A first-round pick of the Columbus Blue Jackets in 2013, Dano made his debut in 2014-15 with 21 points in 35 games, playing a complete and exciting game. He caught the eye of the Chicago Blackhawks, who asked for Dano in the Brandon Saad trade. However, Dano failed to find his footing in Chicago, and was once more traded after putting up just 10 points in 34 games. This time he was shipped to Winnipeg as part of the package for Andrew Ladd and finished the season with the Jets, recording eight points in 21 games. Dano failed to make the team out of camp this week, but will now get his chance to stick at the NHL level with Winnipeg. The 21-year-old winger has a ton of skill, and if he can put it all together like he did as a rookie in Columbus, that will greatly help the Jets cope with the loss of Little and turn their early struggles around.
Snapshots: Trouba, Ducks, Goaltending
In the latest edition of Insider Trading on TSN, the panel of Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger and Pierre LeBrun discussed a number of subjects. One of them was Jacob Trouba, and the potential of a trade in his future. While Trouba has insisted all along that it isn’t about money in his contract dispute, the Jets are rumored to be willing to go to six-years, $33MM to get the defenceman under contract.
Even though it seems like most teams would want Trouba, Dreger reports that it doesn’t look like there is a fit anywhere in Canada. The Maple Leafs, Oilers and Canadiens have all been rumored to be interested in the 22-year old in the past.
- On Hampus Lindholm and a possible deal of Cam Fowler, LeBrun reports that it might not be as guaranteed as one would think. While it still seems likely that one of the Ducks young defenceman will have to be shipped out, the fact that Simon Despres has hit the LTIR and has no timetable on his return the team has a little more wiggle room under the salary cap.
- In Carolina, Dreger suggests that Ryan Murphy may be on the block, since he’ll likely be exposed at next year’s expansion draft. The 23-year old former first round pick split last season between the NHL and AHL levels.
- On the goaltending front, Los Angeles sounds like they’re putting all their eggs in the Peter Budaj basket for now. They’re waiting for Mike Condon to hit waivers from the Pittsburgh Penguins, but that may not happen for a while as Pittsburgh wants to try and keep or get an asset for the young goaltender.
Heritage Classic Primer
The third ever Heritage Classic takes place this afternoon as the Winnipeg Jets host the Edmonton Oilers. Here are some news and notes to get you set up for the fourth outdoor game on Canadian soil:
- Although there isn’t much history between Edmonton and this current version of the Jets, Winnipeg owner Mark Chipman wanted the Oilers as their opponent, writes Terry Jones of the Edmonton Sun. If you go back a bit further, Winnipeg and Edmonton were the teams in the final Avco Cup championship back in the WHA, just before Wayne Gretzky joined the NHL. The Oilers also faced the old Jets franchise in each of their five Stanley Cup championships.
- As is customary with the outdoor games, alumni from both teams faced off against each other yesterday with the Jets winning 6-5; the winning goal coming from Teemu Selanne (who still holds the NHL record for most goals in a rookie season) on a penalty shot.
- This will be Winnipeg’s first time participating in an outdoor game while it will be Edmonton’s second opportunity. The Oilers were the losing team in the inaugural Heritage Classic back in 2003 to the Montreal Canadiens. Calgary and Vancouver have hosted the other two games; the Flames beat Montreal in 2011 while the Canucks fell to Ottawa in 2014.
- Edmonton’s Benoit Pouliot is the outdoor game veteran of the two teams as he will be making his fourth appearance in one. He suited up for Montreal in 2011 and also in a pair of games for the New York Rangers as part of the NHL’s Stadium Series back in 2014. For Winnipeg, Mathieu Perreault has the most outdoor game experience with two, suiting up in games while playing in Washington in 2011 and Anaheim in 2013.
- The goaltending matchup will be Connor Hellebuyck for the Jets and Cam Talbot for Edmonton.
Snapshots: Westpoint, Kings’ Goaltenders, Lindholm
On tonight’s Hockey Night In Canada broadcast, the Sportsnet team revealed some interesting tidbits about stories around the league. One of which, coming on the heels of today’s hugely popular alumni game in Winnipeg (which the Jets won 6-5 on the back of Teemu Selanne‘s five points and last second penalty shot goal), is that the league is considering non-conventional venues for upcoming outdoor games.
The military academy Westpoint is one of these out-of-the-box ideas, but seems to have legs. Elliotte Friedman says the league is considering it for next season. The New York Rangers would play in the game, but wouldn’t necessarily be the home team. Friedman also mentions South Bend (home of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish) as another possibility.
- Friedman talks about the goaltending situation in Los Angeles, which got even more dire today when Jeff Zatkoff went down with a groin injury. Peter Budaj, expected to be the AHL starter this season, may get an extended chance with the big club due to the contracts or trade demands of other goaltenders around the league. The Kings have reportedly looked into Ondrej Pavelec, Steve Mason, Reto Berra, Mike Condon but haven’t found a fit. Friedman opines that Jonathan Bernier may be an option for the team, due to his familiarity with the organization and expected availability.
- Kelly Hrudey thinks that Brian Elliott isn’t fazed by his recent struggles for the Calgary Flames. Elliott isn’t starting tonight for the Flames, but that doesn’t mean that he’s in any danger of losing the #1 job in Calgary. If anything, his poor start might just buy the Flames a few dollars in their ongoing negotiations with the netminder.
- A final point from Friedman was on the Hampus Lindholm situation in Anaheim and the Winnipeg negotiations with Jacob Trouba. Apparently Anaheim wants Lindholm to sign for less than $5.4MM per season, while the player wants more than that. On Trouba, apparently the asking price of Kevin Cheveldayoff hasn’t dropped any even with the holdout lasting into the season. If Trouba is moved, it will be for the big return that the Jets’ GM has been looking for all summer.
Injury Notes: Zatkoff, van Riemsdyk, Little
After news broke earlier today that Jeff Zatkoff had injured himself in practice, and would be unable to continue, rumors swirled about how long the netminder would be out. While an exactly length hasn’t been given, Zatkoff has been placed on injured reserve and been replaced by emergency call-up Jack Campbell from the Ontario Reign.
To fill in for Campbell on an emergency basis, the Reign will dress Dusty Imoo tonight to back up his son Jonah Imoo. The elder Imoo is a goaltending coach for the Reign and was one the Olympic starter for Japan at the 1998 Nagano Olympics. He hasn’t played in a professional hockey game in almost a decade, when he skated for the Oji Eagles of the Asian League. The 46-year old will be cheering on his 22-year old son, who will be making his AHL debut.
- According to Joel Quenneville of the Chicago Blackhawks, Trevor van Riemsdyk will not need surgery following his shoulder injury suffered Friday night. Instead, the defender will be out about a month rehabbing. Van Riemsdyk played all 82 games for the Blackhawks last season, notching three goals and fourteen points. The 25-year old was expected to be a big part of their blueline this season.
- Ken Wiebe of the Winnipeg Sun spoke to Jets head coach Paul Maurice today, who said he still doesn’t have a definitive timetable on the return of Bryan Little, but should know more next week. Little was injured after a collision with the Hurricanes’ Bryan Bickell, and is out indefinitely.
- The Nashville Predators have come down with food poisoning, according to Adam Vingan of the Tennessean, causing them to call up five players on an emergency basis. Austin Watson, Frederick Gaudreau, Harry Zolnierczyk, Trevor Smith and Juuse Saros have all been brought up from the Milwaukee Admirals to play if some of the regulars can’t go. As James Neal said “We were going down pretty hard last night, I’ve never seen that many guys get sick.
Jets Receiving Calls On Ondrej Pavelec
The Winnipeg Jets have received some calls regarding goaltender Ondrej Pavelec, ESPN’s Craig Custance reports (Insider required). However, those calls have been more of the tire-kicking variety than concrete trade negotiations.
Pavelec is currently suiting up for the Manitoba Moose of the AHL where he has a 1-0-1 record with a 2.89 GAA and a .919 SV% in two games so far. It’s his first season in the minors since 2008-09 in just the second year of his pro career.
The 29 year old cleared waivers back in the preseason, in large part due to his contract. Pavelec is earning a salary of $4.75MM with a cap hit of $3.9MM in the final season of a five year deal signed back in June of 2012. The Jets also wanted youngster Connor Hellebuyck to start the season with the deal and because of Pavelec’s deal, he was the logical candidate to be waived, particularly after posting just a .904 save percentage in 2015-16.
For a trade to happen, it’s highly likely that Winnipeg will have to eat a sizable amount of salary (they’re allowed to retain up to 50%). Even so, that may be a more palatable solution for them compared to carrying a ‘buried’ cap hit of $2.95MM for Pavelec while he is in the minor leagues. Accordingly, the asking price would likely not be particularly high and may very well depend on how much other teams would want the Jets to retain.
On the surface, it would seem logical to think that Los Angeles is one of the teams that has been or will be kicking the tires on Pavelec. The Kings will be without Jonathan Quick for the next three months and currently have a tandem of Jeff Zatkoff and Peter Budaj who have both been in the minors themselves in recent seasons. Pavelec would at least give them someone who has been a starter at times in recent years and is more suited to handle a starting workload.
Of course, Winnipeg may be inclined to wait on moving Pavelec for now to see if other injuries arise to create more trade demand down the road. In the meantime, he’ll continue to suit up in Manitoba as the highest paid goaltender in the minors.
Morning Snapshots: Backes, Trouba, Rantanen, Boychuk
Former Blues captain David Backes inked one of the richest deals of the offseason when he left the mid-west to join the Boston Bruins on a five-year, $30MM deal. While Backes is an excellent two-way player, many criticized the length of the contract given to the 32-year-old C/RW. However, teams today seem to realize that is an inherent risk of free agency and generally hope to see surplus value in the earlier years of the pact.
Backes is only four games into his Bruins career yet the early returns are solid – two goals and three points. But as the Boston Globe’s Fluto Shinzawa writes, the biggest benefit of the Backes addition may be in how it’s allowed bench boss Claude Julien to balance out his lines to better take advantage of the skill-sets of his other forwards.
With Patrice Bergeron back in the lineup, he joins Brad Marchand and David Pastrnak on the Bruins top line. Backes, meanwhile, is slotted in as the second line RW with rookie Danton Heinen on the left of veteran pivot David Krejci. The left-handed Heinen and right-handed Backes give Krejci two wings who play on their strong side and allow the gifted center to deliver passes to his linemates’ forehands. As Shinzawa notes, Krejci has had some of his best seasons when he’s “had a right-hand strongman clearing space on his wing.” In past years, Nathan Horton, Jarome Iginla and Blake Wheeler have provided Krejci with just that and now he has Backes.
More from around the NHL:
- The Jacob Trouba saga in Winnipeg appears no closer to a resolution, as ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun writes. Trouba and his agent, Kurt Overhardt, recently made public the defenseman’s request to be traded citing a desire to play top-four minutes on his natural, right side. With Tyler Myers and Dustin Byfuglien under contract with the Jets for at least the next three years, that opportunity didn’t appear to be in Winnipeg. For their part, the Jets have understandably placed a high price tag on Trouba, rumored to be a left-handed defenseman of comparable age and talent to the former first-round draft choice. According to LeBrun, the club hasn’t received an offer to their liking and are prepared to wait it out until they do. There is a hard deadline of December 1st; if Trouba is not under contract at that point he won’t be eligible to play this season.
- The Colorado Avalanche appear poised to recall prospect Mikko Rantanen next week from San Antonio of the AHL, writes Mike Chambers of The Denver Post. Rantanen has been with the Rampage since the start of the season in what has effectively been a conditioning assignment as he works his way back from an ankle injury suffered during training camp. The Avalanche used their first-round selection in the 2015 draft to select Rantanen and the Finnish forward debuted in the NHL in 2015-16, appearing in nine games for the Avalanche. Chambers speculates the team will make room on their 23-man roster by placing veteran center John Mitchell on IR or by sending Gabriel Bourque or Ben Smith to San Antonio.
- Zach Boychuk, who has appeared in 127 NHL games over parts of seven seasons with Carolina, Pittsburgh and Nashville, has inked a pact of HC Sibir of the KHL according to this link, re-tweeted by Cap Friendly (original link in Russian). Boychuk was chosen in the first-round of the 2008 draft by Carolina and has scored 12 goals and 30 points during his NHL career. He has had more success in the minors, once tallying 36 goals and 74 points while playing for Charlotte of the AHL during the 2013-14 campaign.