Poll: Who Is Next To Rebuild?
It seems every year in the NHL, a team mired in a years-long rebuild finally turns a corner and becomes a legitimate contender again while a team that has been successful for a long time finally decides it needs to start over and enters its own rebuild. One would think that the 2022-23 season wouldn’t be an exception, but while there are several teams that seem to be turning the corner, such as the Anaheim Ducks, Detroit Red Wings, and Ottawa Senators, it’s not immediately clear who is heading for an imminent rebuild. Sure, some teams already in a rebuild stepped up their efforts a bit, like the Chicago Blackhawks and San Jose Sharks, but their process had already begun. Before looking at the teams that could be in this unenviable position, we’ll attempt to classify the rest of the pack.
Window is Staying Open: CAR, CGY, COL, DAL, EDM, FLA, NYR, TBL, TOR
Up and Coming: ANA, BUF, CBJ, DET, LAK, NJD, OTT, VAN
Already Rebuilding: ARI, CHI, MTL, PHI, SEA, SJS
After trying to sort out where a large portion of the league stands on their builds, that leaves nine teams in a sort-of limbo state. These teams could, in theory, win the Stanley Cup this year, could be a team on the fringe of the playoff picture, or could find themselves needing to start things over. Once again, the remaining teams appear to fit into one of three categories on their status:
Proven Winner With A Veteran Core:
The teams best placed here would be the Boston Bruins, New York Islanders, Pittsburgh Penguins, St. Louis Blues, and Washington Capitals. With their current build, three teams have won at least one Stanley Cup (Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Washington), one has made it to the Cup Final, Boston, and the fifth, the Islanders, made back-to-back Conference Finals. All five of these teams, for the most part, have a key group of players who are towards the later stages of their prime, if not out of it, and all have a substantial portion of that core signed for at least a couple more seasons.
A team like the Islanders who has one of the older groups, also has the largest portion of that group signed long-term. That, combined with their lack of a Stanley Cup would make them seem as though they will try at least a couple more times to be a winner. But the age and cap implications could have a volatile effect. To the opposite, Pittsburgh and Washington have achieved the ultimate goal so rebuilding when necessary would be easier to stomach. But, unlike the Capitals, the Penguins recently signed two players in their mid-30’s to long-term extensions. Either way, both teams have several veterans still at the top of their game.
Boston is in their own unique situation, as they have a few players in or entering their prime, such as David Pastrnak, Charlie McAvoy, Hampus Lindholm, and Jeremy Swayman and that group hasn’t won a Cup with the team. But time could be running out on veterans, and previous Cup winners, Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marchand, and David Krejci, not to mention Pastrnak’s looming free agency.
Lastly, St. Louis has a relatively younger core, which they’ve won with, but will be faced with nearly all of their key players hitting the UFA market in the next couple of seasons. If they can manage to keep those pieces while also managing their cap, they could easily fit in above with the windows open group but if not, a rebuild might be less of a choice than simply reality.
Cap Concerns:
The two teams included in this section, the Minnesota Wild and Vegas Golden Knights, have both impressed in recent seasons and boast a roster that would appear as though it can compete going forward. But, managing the cap will not only prove burdensome, but has already forced a number of moves that represent a step back for the organization. First, Vegas has sacrificed plenty in order to be instantly competitive and maintain themselves through their first five years in the league. That was as clear as ever last offseason when they traded Vezina Trophy winner Marc-Andre Fleury for a minor league player, and this offseason when they traded star forward Max Pacioretty for future considerations. The team has had to make sacrifices of real talent in order to stay cap compliant and keep the remainder of their group intact, which could spell disaster.
The Minnesota Wild have otherwise managed their cap situation rather well, but have put themselves in a difficult position with the buyouts of Zach Parise and Ryan Suter, which will put $12.74MM against their cap this year and $14.74MM the two years after. The Wild already had to trade the dynamic Kevin Fiala to make things work for 2022-23 and things only figure to get more difficult over the next three seasons. One bright side, the group they currently fit in with the penalties has shown they can perform as well as anyone.
Of note, one might think the Tampa Bay Lightning are a perfect fit in this section, however the recent extensions of Erik Cernak,, Anthony Cirelli, and Mikhail Sergachev show the organization has no plans on changing course for a considerably long time.
Lack Of Performance:
The Nashville Predators and Winnipeg Jets provide two of the most fascinating examples of teams that could rebuild, could breakout, or could just simply stay as a middle-of-the-road team. Both teams have a number of exciting names, many of whom are signed for at least a few years, but neither seem to be among the best of the best. This offseason the Predators re-signed Filip Forsberg and acquired Ryan McDonagh, showing their desire to stay competitive and improve. However, since their appearance in the 2017 Stanley Cup Finals, the team has made it past the first round once, back in 2018. Even with breakout performances from Forsberg, Matt Duchene, Ryan Johansen along with an all-time performance from Roman Josi, the Predators just made it into the playoffs, losing to the eventual Stanley Cup Champion Colorado Avalanche in the first round.
Winnipeg, like Nashville, carries several star players including Kyle Connor, Nikolaj Ehlers, Josh Morrissey, and Mark Scheifele along with former Vezina winner Connor Hellebuyck. Still, that group has made it past the first round once since their Western Conference Finals appearance in 2018, and failed to make the postseason altogether this year. Now with an older Blake Wheeler, as well as Scheifele an Hellebuyck each two years away from free agency, Winnipeg may need to re-evaluate their build if it can’t compete for a Stanley Cup regularly with this group.
Considering the teams that seem poised for a rebuild, who is the most likely one to blink first and tear things down? Could it be a team that’s had a good run but needs to get younger? A team that just needs to reset from a salary cap perspective? A team who just hasn’t been able to meet their goals? Or an unexpected candidate?
Who Is Next To Rebuild?
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Boston Bruins 25% (463)
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Winnipeg Jets 19% (348)
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Washington Capitals 11% (199)
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New York Islanders 10% (186)
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Pittsburgh Penguins 10% (183)
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Vegas Golden Knights 9% (162)
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Nashville Predators 4% (73)
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Other 4% (73)
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St. Louis Blues 4% (71)
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Minnesota Wild 3% (58)
Total votes: 1,816
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: Sixth Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science, and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and asking how it would shake out knowing what we do now. Will the first round remain the same, or will some late-round picks jump up to the top of the board?
The results of our redraft so far are as follows with their original draft position in parentheses:
1st Overall: Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning (1)
2nd Overall: Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings (2)
3rd Overall: Roman Josi, Atlanta Thrashers (38)
4th Overall: Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis Blues (4)
5th Overall: Erik Karlsson, Toronto Maple Leafs (15)
If this poll was done a few years ago, Karlsson may have challenged for the top spot given how incredible his early career was. The high-flying defenseman won the Norris Trophy in his third season, another in his sixth, and was the runner-up in years seven and eight. There have been few defensemen in the modern era with such a dominant stretch, and it culminated in the 2017 playoffs when Karlsson nearly carried the Ottawa Senators to the Stanley Cup Final (seemingly by himself at times), leading the team in scoring while playing more than 28 minutes a night.
After some injury-plagued seasons and a massive contract that has made him a financial anchor in San Jose, Karlsson’s career has certainly plateaued and made him the fifth pick in our hindsight draft.
We now move on to the sixth pick and the first real “bust” of the 2008 draft.
The early history of the Columbus Blue Jackets was filled with draft-day mistakes. Rostislav Klesla, Pascal Leclaire, Nikolai Zherdev, Alexandre Picard, Gilbert Brule. Not exactly the definition of a Hall of Fame lineup. By 2008 though, things were starting to look up. The team had obviously hit with Rick Nash, who had become a superstar by that point, and the previous two drafts had produced Derick Brassard and Jakub Voracek in the first round (not to mention Steve Mason in the third).
Unfortunately, 2008 wouldn’t be so kind, at least at the top of the board.
After seeing four straight defensemen come off the board with Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Luke Schenn, the Blue Jackets took the podium and went with an incredibly skilled Russian sniper by the name of Nikita Filatov, who had made it to the top domestic league even as a teenager. At the time, some claimed that there was no player in the draft with a higher offensive ceiling than the young winger, who had put up ridiculous numbers in the lower levels in Russia, and dominated at international tournaments against his own age group.
Unlike most Russian players, Filatov wasn’t signed to a contract back home and could come to North America right away, which he did, joining the Syracuse Crunch of the AHL after an early-season stint with the Blue Jackets. The talent was there and during a January recall, he showed it off, recording a hat trick in his sixth NHL game, despite seeing just 16 shifts that night.
If you are wondering why his career page includes just 47 more NHL games, a total of 53 before he went back to the KHL (and also never really developed there), part of Aaron Portzline’s retrospective for The Athletic earlier this summer may have an answer:
Filatov was undeniably skilled and a world-class sniper, but coaches were trying to show him the reward that could be his if he simply followed the puck to the net and showed even a half-hearted willingness to play in traffic.
After four or five clips, Filatov stepped back from the screen as if he was slightly startled. He looked at coach Rob Riley and the video assistant and said, flatly: “Filly don’t do rebounds.”
Filatov would finish his NHL career with just six goals and 14 points, while seven other players in the 2008 top 10 are still active in the league today. It was a devastating miss for an organization that made it to the playoffs for the first time in 2009 and desperately could have used a top-end defenseman to help Nash take the team to the next level–especially because they landed plenty of offensive help in Cam Atkinson way down in the sixth round that year.
So there is no doubt that the Blue Jackets made a mistake in selecting Filatov but who should they have gone with instead? With the sixth overall pick in the 2008 NHL Draft, who will the Columbus Blue Jackets select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: Sixth Overall
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John Carlson 56% (594)
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Jacob Markstrom 10% (102)
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Braden Holtby 7% (71)
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Jordan Eberle 6% (66)
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Cam Atkinson 4% (42)
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Jared Spurgeon 4% (38)
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T.J. Brodie 2% (24)
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Adam Henrique 2% (19)
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Tyler Myers 1% (15)
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Matt Martin 1% (11)
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Josh Bailey 1% (10)
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Gustav Nyquist 1% (10)
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Travis Hamonic 1% (9)
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Zach Bogosian 1% (8)
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Luke Schenn 1% (8)
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Michael Del Zotto 1% (7)
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Jake Gardiner 1% (6)
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Derek Stepan 0% (5)
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Jake Allen 0% (4)
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Justin Schultz 0% (4)
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Colin Wilson 0% (4)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (3)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (3)
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Marco Scandella 0% (2)
Total votes: 1,065
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Poll: Who Will Win The Central Division?
A few days ago, we asked the PHR community to predict which team would end up winning the Pacific Division, and there ended up being two clear leaders. The Vancouver Canucks Los Angeles Kings, Vegas Golden Knights, Seattle Kraken, Anaheim Ducks, and San Jose Sharks combined for less than 19% of the vote, with the rest nearly split in half between the Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames.
The Oilers came out a few percentage points ahead after adding netminder Jack Campbell and bringing back Evander Kane. Calgary’s remade roster with Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, and Nazem Kadri still holds plenty of confidence, a stark change from the days after Jonny Gaudreau’s departure.
While that division is apparently a two-horse race, we now move to the Central, where the vote might not be as close (though maybe it should).
Last year, the Colorado Avalanche would end up taking it after going 56-19-7 in the regular season. They would ride that success all the way to a Stanley Cup championship, and return as the presumptive favorites to take the division once again.
However, there are some changes in Colorado. Kadri, who was an incredibly important play driver for the team last season, has departed to Calgary, while Darcy Kuemper was replaced with Alexandar Georgiev. Andre Burakovsky‘s depth scoring has disappeared, and while the team still looks like a very strong contender–having a defense corps led by Cale Makar and Devon Toews will do that–there may be a few chinks in the armor after the dream season.
The Minnesota Wild were second last year, but don’t think they weren’t a powerhouse in their own right. The team finished with a record of 53-22-7, which would have put them first in the Pacific, and went into the playoffs on an 8-1-1 streak. While Kevin Fiala has been sent packing after an outstanding year, the development of Matt Boldy and Marco Rossi means there is still plenty of excitement in Minnesota.
Next was the St. Louis Blues, with their own 109-point campaign, but there is a big question mark in net for next season. Ville Husso, who had emerged as the more reliable option during the year, is gone, leaving Jordan Binnington with Thomas Greiss as his backup. With Ryan O’Reilly and Vladimir Tarasenko both headed into their final year under contract, it will be interesting to see what direction the Blues go in this year.
It’s not often you can say a team with Joe Pavelski, Tyler Seguin, and Jamie Benn on it is driven by youth, but that’s exactly the case for the Dallas Stars, who will are ready to hand the keys over to the dynamic trio of Jason Robertson, Miro Heiskanen, and Jake Oettinger. All three were selected in 2017 and all three look like stars in the league at this point. The question for Dallas, of course, is that Robertson and Oettinger remain unsigned to this point.
The Nashville Predators were able to land Nino Niederreiter and Ryan McDonagh, adding some depth and Stanley Cup experience to the roster as they try to take another run at the division crown. The emergence of Tanner Jeannot has given them another weapon, while Yakov Trenin has also looked like he could be a difference-maker if given the opportunity.
Then there are the Winnipeg Jets, who many picked as contenders last year and far fewer are dubbing them that this time around. While there are still some outstanding pieces there, it’s getting harder and harder to see how they will keep up without Connor Hellebuyck getting back to Vezina-level goaltending.
The Chicago Blackhawks and Arizona Coyotes, meanwhile, are both trying to lose–at least enough to secure a high draft position. The rebuilding clubs shouldn’t pose much of a threat in the division, especially after the deadline when they sell off any pieces that are performing at a high level.
So now we ask you, PHR readers, to make your pick for who will win the Central Division in 2022-23! Vote in the poll below and explain your thoughts in the comment section.
Who will win the Central Division in 2022-23
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Colorado Avalanche 62% (676)
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St. Louis Blues 12% (131)
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Minnesota Wild 10% (107)
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Nashville Predators 4% (44)
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Dallas Stars 4% (42)
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Chicago Blackhawks 4% (42)
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Winnipeg Jets 2% (27)
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Arizona Coyotes 2% (18)
Total votes: 1,087
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: Fifth Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science, and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and asking how it would shake out knowing what we do now. Will the first round remain the same, or will some late-round picks jump up to the top of the board?
The results of our redraft so far are as follows with their original draft position in parentheses:
1st Overall: Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning (1)
2nd Overall: Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings (2)
3rd Overall: Roman Josi, Atlanta Thrashers (38)
4th Overall: Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis Blues (4)
After some other defensemen received more votes than him in our first three polls, Alex Pietrangelo shot up the chart for fourth overall, presumably because of how well he worked out for the Blues in particular. While other teams may have decided to go with someone like John Carlson or Erik Karlsson, St. Louis likely isn’t complaining about their 2008 pick. Pietrangelo became team captain and led them to a Stanley Cup – basically exactly what you want when picking near the top of the draft.
To round out the top five, we move on to the Toronto Maple Leafs and their highest pick in nearly 30 years.
Stuck in the middle of what would be a long playoff drought and without a franchise icon to build around (long-time captain Mats Sundin was leaving town) the Maple Leafs decided to trade up in 2008 in search of their next superstar. It cost them two additional draft picks to move up two spots and at the time, general manager Cliff Fletcher noted that “the top four defensemen” were “special” and the team needed to get one of them.
While there were several special defensemen available – including a number that will be in the Hall of Fame one day – the Maple Leafs didn’t pick one of them.
Instead, they took Luke Schenn, the monstrous blueliner from the Kelowna Rockets. The uber-physical WHL defender was the kind of player that relied on his size and defensive ability at the junior level, stapling opponents against the boards whenever possible. It made for an impressive highlight reel but Schenn’s upside was limited even then, because of his lack of offensive ability.
In his draft year for Kelowna, he had just 28 points in 57 games, ranking well behind the younger Tyson Barrie, who would go in the third round a year later. The thought was that Schenn would be able to star as a pure shutdown defender, logging huge minutes on Toronto’s blueline for years to come.
It did seem to start out well, with Schenn heading right to the NHL a few months after being drafted and playing nearly 22 minutes a night with the rebuilding Maple Leafs. Some, in the years since, have suggested that thrusting him into a role like that may have limited his development but it’s not like Schenn was a true bust.
No, in fact, while he may never have lived up to that “special” billing that Fletcher put upon him, Schenn has still carved out an impressive career of 863 regular season games. At 32, he sits sixth among the 2008 class in games played, and he recently won the Stanley Cup two years in a row with the Tampa Bay Lightning, albeit in a limited role.
So while he may not have been the correct choice in hindsight, there is something to be said about how well Schenn has continued to find his place in an NHL that almost immediately following his draft went away from his type of defenseman. He probably didn’t deserve to go fifth, but there may still be 1,000 NHL games next to his name when it’s all said and done.
Who should take his place, in our hindsight draft? With the fifth pick of the 2008 NHL Draft, who will the Toronto Maple Leafs select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: Fifth Overall
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Erik Karlsson 57% (637)
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John Carlson 25% (275)
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Jacob Markstrom 4% (47)
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Braden Holtby 3% (34)
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Jordan Eberle 2% (17)
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Jared Spurgeon 1% (15)
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Cam Atkinson 1% (13)
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T.J. Brodie 1% (9)
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Josh Bailey 1% (6)
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Zach Bogosian 1% (6)
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Tyler Myers 1% (6)
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Matt Martin 0% (5)
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Gustav Nyquist 0% (5)
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Adam Henrique 0% (5)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (4)
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Jake Allen 0% (4)
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Travis Hamonic 0% (4)
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Jake Gardiner 0% (3)
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Luke Schenn 0% (3)
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Marco Scandella 0% (2)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (2)
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Justin Schultz 0% (2)
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Colin Wilson 0% (2)
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Derek Stepan 0% (1)
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Michael Del Zotto 0% (1)
Total votes: 1,108
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: Fourth Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science, and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and asking how it would shake out knowing what we do now. Will the first round remain the same, or will some late-round picks jump up to the top of the board?
The results of our redraft so far are as follows with their original draft position in parentheses:
1st Overall: Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning (1)
2nd Overall: Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings (2)
3rd Overall: Roman Josi, Atlanta Thrashers (38)
The 2020 Norris Trophy winner was able to edge out a couple of other elite defensemen, as more than 46% of our readers felt Josi was the right choice at third overall. Comparing him to the Zach Bogosian pick that the Thrashers actually went with will certainly drive Winnipeg Jets fans crazy, as Josi has spent his entire career to this point with the team that picked him and is coming off a 96-point campaign that puts him at the very top of the list for offensive seasons by defensemen in the salary cap era.
After Stamkos, Doughty, and Josi come off the board, we move to fourth overall which was held by the St. Louis Blues.
Despite his name not coming up in the first three picks of our redraft, the Blues have never regretted their selection of Alex Pietrangelo. After watching Doughty and Bogosian go off the board, the Blues decided to go another defenseman and selected the King City, Ontario native who had just put up 13 goals and 53 points with the Niagara IceDogs.
Pietrangelo, who actually played with Stamkos on the same summer league minor hockey team, had been a top prospect in the Toronto area for a long time and was seen as a much more well-rounded option than some of the other defensemen available at that point. He had been ranked fifth among North American skaters by NHL Central Scouting and seemed like a potential franchise defenseman that would have been in the running for an even higher pick in some weaker years.
That’s exactly what the Blues got, though it did take a little bit of time for Pietrangelo to actually get there. Unlike Doughty and Bogosian, who both went to the NHL as teenage defensemen, Pietrangelo would only play a handful of games before being sent back to the OHL in both 2008-09 and 2009-10. By the time he arrived full-time in 2010-11, he was pretty much a finished product and scored 11 goals and 43 points while logging 22 minutes a night.
He would have an “A” on his sweater by his fourth season (the same year he won an Olympic gold medal) and would eventually take over as captain of the Blues in 2016.
One of the most consistent two-way defenders in the league, Pietrangelo has 517 points in 879 career regular season games and has averaged nearly 25 minutes. He led the Blues to the Stanley Cup in 2019, even scoring the championship-clinching goal.
Because of that Cup, St. Louis likely wouldn’t trade that pick for anything. But would they have been better off with someone else? Would that Blues team have been even more dangerous with another player?
With the fourth pick in the 2008 NHL Draft, who should the St. Louis Blues select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: Fourth Overall
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Alex Pietrangelo 47% (657)
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Erik Karlsson 33% (460)
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John Carlson 11% (149)
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Jacob Markstrom 3% (41)
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Braden Holtby 2% (22)
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Jared Spurgeon 1% (13)
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Jordan Eberle 1% (11)
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Cam Atkinson 1% (9)
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T.J. Brodie 0% (7)
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Derek Stepan 0% (7)
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Zach Bogosian 0% (5)
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Matt Martin 0% (5)
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Adam Henrique 0% (4)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (4)
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Josh Bailey 0% (3)
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Justin Schultz 0% (2)
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Michael Del Zotto 0% (2)
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Jake Gardiner 0% (2)
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Jake Allen 0% (1)
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Colin Wilson 0% (1)
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Marco Scandella 0% (1)
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Tyler Myers 0% (1)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (1)
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Gustav Nyquist 0% (1)
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Travis Hamonic 0% (0)
Total votes: 1,409
Poll: Who Will Win The Pacific Division?
Last season, there was a significant disparity in the quality of teams in the Eastern and Western Conferences, especially among playoff teams. But there was an even more exaggerated difference between the Pacific Division and the rest of the league, with three Pacific teams (Anaheim, San Jose, Seattle) finishing under the 80-point mark.
However, nearly every Pacific Division team made significant roster changes this offseason, leading to what will likely be a shuffling of the deck in the Pacific’s hierarchy and overall strength.
With any major moves among Pacific teams likely settled at this stage, it’s now a safe exercise to cautiously issue some predictions about how the division will evolve in 2022-23. How will the Calgary Flames fare after their Jonathan Huberdeau/Matthew Tkachuk swap and adding Nazem Kadri and MacKenzie Weegar? Do the Vegas Golden Knights rebound from horrific injury luck last season that isn’t showing signs of stopping? Is Jack Campbell the goalie solution the Edmonton Oilers have been looking for?
Those aren’t the only major storylines, although they are arguably the top three teams in the division based on past years.
The Los Angeles Kings are looking to continue upward after a surprise playoff appearance last year, bringing in Kevin Fiala to help bolster their offense and push the team further toward another contending period. But Jonathan Quick‘s consistency as he ages remains a question, and Calvin Petersen is coming off a rough season in which he lost the starting job back to Quick.
The Vancouver Canucks still need to shore up some things on defense, but they should still be in the playoff conversation with the additions of Ilya Mikheyev and Andrei Kuzmenko to add speed and skill to their middle-six forward group.
The Anaheim Ducks and Seattle Kraken both made notable additions this offseason too, and they’ll be bolstered by young centers bound to have breakout seasons next year in Trevor Zegras and Matthew Beniers, respectively. The San Jose Sharks may be the only team at this point squarely out of the playoff conversation, a marked change from last season at this time.
Now we ask you, PHR readers, to make your pick for who will emerge from the pack and win next year’s Pacific Division title. Make sure to vote in the poll below and explain in the comments!
Who will win the Pacific Division in 2022-23?
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Edmonton 43% (1,199)
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Calgary 38% (1,061)
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Vancouver 6% (175)
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Los Angeles 5% (151)
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Vegas 4% (99)
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Seattle 1% (41)
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Anaheim 1% (34)
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San Jose 1% (30)
Total votes: 2,790
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: Third Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and asking how it would shake out knowing what we do now. Will the first round remain the same, or will some late-round picks jump up to the top of the board?
The results of our redraft so far are as follows with their original draft position in parentheses:
1st Overall: Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning (1)
2nd Overall: Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings (2)
While there were several quality defensemen to choose from, our readers decided to stick with what actually transpired for the Kings’ selection at second overall with nearly half of the votes going to Doughty. Considering the type of impact that Doughty has had over his 14-year career so far, that’s not a shocker and with five years left on his contract, one that was briefly the richest for a defenseman in NHL history, he should be a core performer for Los Angeles for quite a long way to come.
Now, we move on to the third pick which was held by the Atlanta Thrashers.
They opted to make it back-to-back defensemen selected as they picked up Zach Bogosian, a promising two-way rearguard out of Peterborough of the OHL. He also made the jump to the NHL right away as an 18-year-old and didn’t look out of place, logging over 18 minutes a game in his rookie year before reaching the ten-goal mark as a sophomore in a season that saw him jump up over 21 minutes a night. The offensive potential was seemingly being reached while he brought plenty of physicality and shot-blocking to the table. Early on, it looked like Bogosian was living up to his potential.
Unfortunately for Atlanta (and later Winnipeg following the move), Bogosian didn’t really progress too much more. There was an outlier year in his first season with the Jets when he had 25 assists and 30 points but for the most part, he was more of a defensive defenseman. That didn’t stop Winnipeg from handing him a seven-year, $36MM extension in 2013, believing he could still become that two-way defender.
That didn’t happen. Instead, after a couple of injury-riddled seasons, he was moved to Buffalo along with Evander Kane in exchange for a package of younger players headlined by defenseman Tyler Myers and winger Drew Stafford. With the Sabres, things more or less stayed the same for Bogosian – he was more of a defensive defender and was often injured.
With his contract making him a negative-value trade chip, Bogosian cleared waivers and eventually agreed to terminate his deal, allowing him to join Tampa Bay for their Stanley Cup run in a depth role. From there, it was onto Toronto in a depth role before rejoining the Lightning last summer. He still has two years left on his contract with a cap hit just above the league minimum.
All in all, Bogosian hasn’t been the impactful two-way threat he was expected to be but he does sit 16th in games played from this draft class and has been an NHL regular for 14 seasons now.
But was he the right pick for Atlanta or would they have been better off with someone else instead? With the third pick of the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, who should the Atlanta Thrashers select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: Third Overall
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Roman Josi 46% (657)
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Erik Karlsson 24% (345)
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Alex Pietrangelo 17% (241)
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John Carlson 5% (74)
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Braden Holtby 1% (19)
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Jacob Markstrom 1% (19)
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Cam Atkinson 1% (8)
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Jordan Eberle 1% (8)
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Jared Spurgeon 0% (5)
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T.J. Brodie 0% (5)
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Marco Scandella 0% (5)
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Josh Bailey 0% (4)
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Derek Stepan 0% (4)
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Travis Hamonic 0% (3)
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Gustav Nyquist 0% (3)
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Adam Henrique 0% (3)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (2)
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Michael Del Zotto 0% (2)
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Tyler Myers 0% (2)
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Matt Martin 0% (1)
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Jake Gardiner 0% (1)
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Jake Allen 0% (1)
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Zach Bogosian 0% (1)
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Colin Wilson 0% (1)
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Justin Schultz 0% (0)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (0)
Total votes: 1,414
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: Second Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
We’re looking back at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and asking how it would shake out knowing what we do now. Will the first round remain the same, or will some late-round picks jump up to the top of the board?
On Sunday, we asked the PHR community to weigh in on who should have been the top pick and over 70% of the votes cast went towards history repeating itself with Steven Stamkos being the number one selection. For comparison, Patrick Kane had over 85% of the votes to stay as the top selection in our 2007 series so while it was still a sizable majority, it was a little closer this time around as we move on to the next selection.
That pick was made by the Kings who opted for defenseman Drew Doughty. He was coming off of two high-scoring seasons with Guelph of the OHL which had him ranked as the top defenseman available by most scouting services so the selection didn’t come as too much of a surprise.
It’s safe to say that it has panned out quite nicely. Doughty played his way onto the roster – no small feat for an 18-year-old defenseman – and made an immediate impact as he logged nearly 24 minutes a night. The following year, the offensive promise he showed at the major junior level came through as he picked up 16 goals (the most of his career to date) and 59 points (second-most).
All in all, Doughty is the only player from the 2008 draft class to play at least 1,000 career NHL games while he has been a four-time Norris finalist, winning the award once in 2016. He has two Stanley Cup championships under his belt in 2012 and 2014 and at the age of 32, he still has been going strong, averaging more than 25 minutes a night in each of the last ten seasons. It’s safe to say the Kings are happy with how things turned out with their selection.
But was it the right one; would they have been better off with someone else instead? With the second pick of the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, who should the Los Angeles Kings select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: Second Overall
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Drew Doughty 49% (834)
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Roman Josi 24% (405)
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Erik Karlsson 10% (173)
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Alex Pietrangelo 7% (127)
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John Carlson 2% (42)
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Braden Holtby 1% (16)
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Jacob Markstrom 1% (12)
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Matt Martin 1% (10)
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Jared Spurgeon 1% (10)
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T.J. Brodie 1% (9)
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Josh Bailey 0% (7)
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Cam Atkinson 0% (6)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (5)
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Travis Hamonic 0% (5)
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Jake Allen 0% (4)
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Jake Gardiner 0% (4)
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Michael Del Zotto 0% (4)
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Gustav Nyquist 0% (4)
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Jordan Eberle 0% (4)
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Justin Schultz 0% (4)
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Adam Henrique 0% (3)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (2)
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Colin Wilson 0% (2)
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Tyler Myers 0% (1)
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Zach Bogosian 0% (1)
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Derek Stepan 0% (0)
Total votes: 1,694
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2008 NHL Draft Take Two: First Overall Pick
Hindsight is an amazing thing, and allows us to look back and wonder “what could have been.” Though perfection is attempted, scouting and draft selection is far from an exact science and sometimes, it doesn’t work out the way teams – or players – intended. For every Patrick Kane, there is a Patrik Stefan.
The summer doldrums often provide opportunities to look back at the past – moves that have worked out and others that didn’t go exactly as planned. The same can be said for draft picks – some early selections have panned out and become franchise players while others came up well short of expectations. In the past, we’ve looked back at the drafts in 2005, 2006, and 2007 and now, it’s time to do the same for 2008.
This draft class was a pretty strong one with 33 players (and counting) playing in at least 500 NHL games while it also has some All-Stars and future Hall of Famers. On the flip side, there were four players who never saw a taste of NHL action and certainly won’t be slotted as high in our redraft.
Over the coming weeks as we wait for training camp to begin, we’ll be going through the 2008 NHL Entry Draft to have the PHR community select who they would have picked knowing the result of the player’s career. We’ll include a list of players to vote for, and update the first round as it progresses.
The Tampa Bay Lightning had the first pick in 2008 after winning the lottery to hold onto the top selection. They were faced with the choice of picking a franchise center or a franchise defenseman with Steven Stamkos and Drew Doughty being the consensus top two selections in Brian Lawton’s first draft at the helm. Obviously, they opted for the former and Stamkos has been as advertised as the leading scorer from this draft class although Doughty has played the most games and has been nominated for end-of-season awards more frequently. With the benefit of hindsight, did Tampa Bay make the right choice or would they have been better off with the franchise defender instead? Or someone else entirely?
With the first pick of the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, who should the Tampa Bay Lightning select? Cast your vote below.
2008 Redraft: First Overall
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Steven Stamkos 70% (2,308)
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Drew Doughty 10% (318)
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Roman Josi 9% (292)
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Erik Karlsson 4% (126)
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Alex Pietrangelo 2% (74)
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John Carlson 1% (27)
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Michael Del Zotto 1% (17)
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Matt Martin 0% (16)
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Gustav Nyquist 0% (10)
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Tyler Ennis 0% (10)
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Zach Bogosian 0% (10)
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Josh Bailey 0% (7)
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Jared Spurgeon 0% (7)
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Jake Gardiner 0% (7)
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T.J. Brodie 0% (6)
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Jacob Markstrom 0% (6)
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Adam Henrique 0% (5)
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Braden Holtby 0% (5)
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Jordan Eberle 0% (4)
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Derek Stepan 0% (4)
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Tyler Myers 0% (4)
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Cam Atkinson 0% (3)
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Mikkel Boedker 0% (3)
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Jake Allen 0% (3)
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Travis Hamonic 0% (3)
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Colin Wilson 0% (1)
Total votes: 3,276
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Poll: Which Team Has Improved The Most This Offseason?
It may not seem like it but we’re now less than two months away from the start of the 2022-23 NHL season. For the most part, teams have finished their remodeling and now have in place the roster that will start the year.
There are still some restricted free agents to sign, and Nazem Kadri is still without an officially filed contract, but the rest of the available players aren’t really difference-makers.
So now, with training camp a few weeks away (and players already starting to skate in groups) we can start grading offseasons. Who improved the most? Who missed the mark? Who will take a step back?
For many people, the Ottawa Senators have been the biggest beneficiaries this offseason. General manager Pierre Dorion clearly feels as though his group is ready to start contending for the playoffs, and made several moves to get them even closer. Alex DeBrincat, Claude Giroux, and Cam Talbot are now Senators, giving the team a veteran goaltender, a former MVP candidate, and an in-his-prime 40-goal scorer all in one summer.
But they aren’t the only club that improved.
The Seattle Kraken, for all of their detractors, added several interesting pieces. Andre Burakovsky, Oliver Bjorkstrand, and Justin Schultz have arrived, not to mention the drafting of Shane Wright. While Matty Beniers isn’t exactly an offseason acquisition, having him in the lineup every night will certainly push them forward as well.
Then there is the Columbus Blue Jackets, who landed the summer’s top free agent in Johnny Gaudreau. The recently-extended Patrik Laine has to be itching to get on the ice with one of the league’s best playmakers.
The Detroit Red Wings added big pieces in free agency, the Anaheim Ducks brought in pieces like Ryan Strome, John Klingberg, and Frank Vatrano, and the New Jersey Devils nabbed some Stanley Cup experience.
So who improved the most? Cast your vote below and explain your thinking process in the comments!
Which team improved the most this offseason?
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Ottawa Senators 32% (600)
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Detroit Red Wings 18% (330)
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Columbus Blue Jackets 6% (107)
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Seattle Kraken 5% (86)
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Edmonton Oilers 4% (66)
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Calgary Flames 3% (51)
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Boston Bruins 2% (46)
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New Jersey Devils 2% (45)
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Los Angeles Kings 2% (42)
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Buffalo Sabres 2% (41)
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New York Rangers 2% (41)
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Anaheim Ducks 2% (39)
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Carolina Hurricanes 2% (38)
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Montreal Canadiens 2% (35)
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Pittsburgh Penguins 2% (33)
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Florida Panthers 2% (32)
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Vancouver Canucks 2% (30)
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Washington Capitals 2% (30)
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Chicago Blackhawks 1% (28)
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New York Islanders 1% (21)
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Toronto Maple Leafs 1% (21)
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Philadelphia Flyers 1% (19)
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Minnesota Wild 1% (14)
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Colorado Avalanche 1% (13)
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St. Louis Blues 1% (12)
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Winnipeg Jets 1% (10)
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Nashville Predators 0% (9)
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Dallas Stars 0% (8)
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Arizona Coyotes 0% (7)
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San Jose Sharks 0% (7)
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Tampa Bay Lightning 0% (7)
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Vegas Golden Knights 0% (6)
Total votes: 1,874
